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Hello! I am actually not Methodist, but Episcopalian. I am considering going to a Methodist seminary next year for an MA in Church history or New Testament. There is a methodist seminary by my house and i didn't think it'd be too bad -- Wesley was part of the Church of England once.

Are there any people here familiar with Methodist theology? Like really familiar?
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aefenglommung
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Time:2010-02-14 12:03 pm (UTC)
Yes. Which seminary are you considering?
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-14 07:27 pm (UTC)
St. Paul School of Theology
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manuka
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Time:2010-02-15 06:00 am (UTC)
My wife (moonsend) is a student at SPST.
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manuka
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Time:2010-02-15 06:02 am (UTC)
For what it's worth, I was born and raised in the Anglican church (although I didn't get confirmed until a few years ago at Christ Church at 91st/Nall). My wife and I are both at Church of the Resurrection now.
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-15 06:08 am (UTC)
Would she mind if I talked to her you think?
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manuka
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Time:2010-02-15 06:20 am (UTC)
I'm sure she'd love to. Also might want to talk to babyfevertime, another local friend. She and her hubs went to seminary and he and my wife are going through the whole candidacy process together in the UMC.
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moonsend
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Time:2010-02-17 09:33 pm (UTC)
Hi! My husband mentioned this post over here, and I just finally got a few minutes to come check it out. I'd love to answer any questions for you that I can about Saint Paul. I'm in my second semester there, and I really enjoy it. It's a nice school, and is small enough that most of the students know each other and we all do a pretty good job of being friendly and helping each other out.

While the school is officially affiliated with the UMC, they are an inter-denominational school. We have professors that are Lutheran, Eastern Orthodox... and several others, in addition to Methodists.

I'd highly recommend attending one of our campus visits, called "Encounter Saint Paul." They are great for answering lots of questions. (And of course, I'd be happy to answer whatever I can!)
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-17 09:37 pm (UTC)
Yes, I have a visit set up and I applied. I can't get up there for the Encounter Saint Paul so I scheduled an individual visit. If you have IM or email maybe we could talk there.
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moonsend
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Time:2010-02-17 09:55 pm (UTC)
Awesome!

My email is andrea at nerdherd dot net. I also use gmail chat through there, if you'd prefer to chat.
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-17 09:58 pm (UTC)
I'm adele87@gmail.com
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-15 06:09 am (UTC)
the ACNA is a little different then the Episcopal Church -- ACNA isn't a part of the Anglican Communion. That church is pretty close to my house.
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manuka
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Time:2010-02-15 06:18 am (UTC)
I was raised in the Anglican Church of Canada, which is part of the Anglican Communion.

Christ Church locally is affiliated with the Church of Uganda, which is also part of the worldwide AC.
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-15 06:20 am (UTC)
OH. Okay. I must be thinking of something else. Thanks for the correction.
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manuka
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Time:2010-02-15 06:27 am (UTC)
CCA actually split from the ECUSA in about 2005, and actually pulled it off. They immediately aligned with the Church of Uganda as they'd had a long-standing relationship with them.

Splitting from a denomination is usually quite difficult due to things like trust clauses where the denom actually owns the church property. CCA essentially checkmated the diocese and got to keep their property due to some very clever planning. The Diocese in the process lost about 25% of its revenue practically overnight.

Which local Episcopal church do you go to?
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-15 06:30 am (UTC)
St. Andrews Episcopal
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cloudkucooland
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Time:2010-02-14 02:25 pm (UTC)
Wesley wasn't once a part of the CoE. He was born a clergyman's son and died a loyal(-ish) priest in the CoE.

I'm fairly familiar with Wesleyan/Methodist theology. Which seminary are you considering?
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-14 07:24 pm (UTC)
Wesley wasn't once a part of the CoE. He was born a clergyman's son and died a loyal(-ish) priest in the CoE.

That was what I meant. Thanks for the clerification. :-)

St. Paul School of Theology in KC.
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rawee1
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Time:2010-02-14 04:13 pm (UTC)
Quite! I took the new member class at our church before joining, and I too was raised and confirmed Episcopalian.
It is theologically a slightly more liberal and more inclusive offshoot of the Anglican church. John Wesley's mother was a devout Episcopalian, and Wesley wasn't satisfied with how little time they spent worshiping, and wanted to do more good in the world. They became "Methodists" as a mean nickname by their seminary peers, because he and a small group worshiped and prayed methodically- every day. He came to Canada and the United States to share God's word with everyone. He worked with Native Americans and even black slaves in America to teach them to read, get them medical care, and teach them the word of God.
Branches formed from these experiences, like the African Methodist Episcopal Church, The Congregational Methodist Church, etc. It is a wonderful history- I recommend reading a book on John Wesley (Amazon has many) and seeing for yourself the wonderful feeling that is United Methodism. It is a melting pot of Christianity, and a true middle-of-the-road church.
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-14 07:27 pm (UTC)
I'm actually in the process of joining the Episcopal Church. I really like it, it's just that a lot of the Episcopals in my area that go to seminary go to the methodist seminary because it's close.

As far as it being more liberal, that might have been true in Wesley's day, but the Episcopal Church in the USA is pretty liberal -- they've gotten flack from other denominations for ordaining members of the GLBT community and for sanctioning women's abortions (2 hot button topics in Christianity today). The Anglican Church in the UK is still fairly conservative though.

My priest was telling me about Wesley and said a lot of the stuff he did and said a lot of the stuff you've said. I've read some stuff on Wesley but sometimes talking to a person is different.
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manuka
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Time:2010-02-15 06:16 am (UTC)
SPST is a lot more closely aligned with episcopal theology than the other seminaries in town (which are primarily Baptist).
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cloudkucooland
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Time:2010-02-15 03:36 am (UTC)
Wesley's father was a priest in the CoE--but the grandparents on both sides were non-conformists. The Holiness club (derisively called the Methodists) started in their undergrad days, not in "seminary." Which is a bit of an anachronism. Likewise, Wesley's mother wasn't Episcopalian, rather she was CoE, there was no Episcopalian church then.

Ted Campbell's book on Methodist doctrine is a good (and short) evaluation of the various Methodist denominations.

I wouldn't say that we are "middle-of-the-road," but rather (like the CoE) we are a true via media (middle road) between Protestantism and Catholicism. "Middle-of-the-road" makes it sound (to me, maybe not to others) like we don't stand for anything. United Methodists do have a clear doctrinal heritage and method--there are some things you cannot hold to and get ordained. But, we do tend to be more open than many other denominations. 'Open doors attached to strong walls.' would be my construal.

I don't know much about St. Paul other than a few friends did their D.Min there in the distance program. There are some good folks there, but it tends (from rumor more than any first-hand information) to be a bit more conservative than SMU Perkins (where I did my M.Div and am working on my Ph.D.).
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-15 05:09 am (UTC)
The Methodist Church seems a lot like the CoE/Episcopal Church.. The CoE has no main theologian, but rather several important ones. I think that for me, reading Wesley theology would help strengthen my understanding of CoE doctorine.

The Episcopal church (as you probably know) is basically the american version of the CoE.

I've read some, but not a lot, of Wesley theology books, and was also hoping to have contact with a real human in here to help my understanding. Sometimes talking to other people helps strengthen ones understanding of something.
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adele87
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Time:2010-02-15 08:41 pm (UTC)
Check this out. That's amazing, that's basically what I believe, just put into theological terms. Neat!
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ichthus
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Time:2010-02-14 09:56 pm (UTC)
I was baptised and confirmed in the Methodist Church. Then, in my second year of college (back in the 70's... yes, I'm old!) I was received into the Episcopal Church. At some point I drifted away from the church. No sudden break, just a drifting away. After many years (decades, really) I decided about a year or so ago that maybe I should give Christianity another look. I've been feeling most drawn back to the Methodist Church, which is why I'm here in this group.

I just finished reading a good (in my opinion) biography on Charles Wesley (the other Wesley) entitled, "Assist Me to Proclaim: The Life and Hymns of Charles Wesley," by John R. Tyson. Charles Wesley was adamantly opposed to the Methodists separating from the Church of England, and at one point wrote in his journal, "I should continue with them (the Methodists) so long as they continue in the Church of England."

I mention the book as you might find it interesting, as well. There is much Methodist theology expressed in the hymns of Charles Wesley. I'm no theologian, and there are others here who can probably answer any questions you might have. So, this really is just my sometimes long-winded way of saying, "hello" and "welcome."
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